Are games art and does art matter in the first place' is the really interesting discussion there, right? Does everyone that goes and looks at a painting, do they really get something out of it, is it really enriching? And I think the answer is it depends on the person. I think some people would go to the Louvre and look at every painting there and really be bored to tears and not get a thing out of it except that they felt they wasted a bunch of hours of time, you know? And some people would go there and it might be transformative; it might actually change the way they think about themselves, life, and their career. And the answer is it depends on each person. And I think with games it's very very similar; I think some people play games and it feels like a waste of time. Some people play games and it actually changes the way they think about things, and it changes the way they think about approaching problems and problem solving. It might even change the way that they learned. It might change the way they deal with their family if they went through an interesting story. So in that way I think video games are exactly like art.